nVidia 6800LE
by Abbas Jaffar Ali on July 21, 2004
Intro / Testbed
Just a few days back, some info surfaced on a new variant of the 6800 GPU from nVidia modeled as 6800LE. Just out of luck, one of the system integrators that we know of received a sample and wanted us to test the card out. From the little information he had, the 6800LE seems to be targeted as an OEM product and will not be released through the retail channel.
The card is identical to the standard 6800 as far as looks and size are concerned, however, its slightly under-powered. With a little help from Scott Wasson at The Tech Report, we believe that the number of pixel pipelines has been reduced from 12 to 8 although we haven’t received any info from nVidia. The core has also been dropped from 325 to 320 although memory size and speed remain identical to the 6800 - 128MB/350MHz (or 700MHz DDR). We asked for a price indication and were told that the card should be about 30% less than the standard 6800 which would put it at under US$200- a very sweet spot. The following are some pictures of the card
As you can see from the first picture, the card looks identical to the standard 6800. The only difference we could spot was the sticker on the back of the card which says 6800 VE instead of just 6800. We're not sure why the sticker says VE when it really should be LE as reported by the drivers.
Older drivers did not recognize this card but the latest WHQL ones released by nVidia a day or two back worked without any problems. Lets take a look at the testbed.
CPU: AMD Athlon64 3400+ CPU Memory: 2 x 512MB Corsair XMS3502 v1.1 DDR-433 Memory Module Motherboard: Gigabyte K8VNXP (K8T800 Chipset) Motherboard Optical/Hard Drives: ASUS 52X CDRW, Western Digital 10,000RPM 36GB Raptor Serial-ATA Monitor: Relisys 19" Monitor Operating System: Windows XP Professional SP1 Motherboard Drivers: VIA Hyperion VGA Drivers: ATI Catalyst 4.4 (9800XT), ATI Catalyst 4.6 (x800), Forceware 56.72 (FX5900 Ultra), Forceware 61.34 (FX6800/Ultra) We used the latest 61.76 drivers for benchmarking the 6800 LE while older cards were benchmarked with older drivers as noted above.For comparison, we've chosen the Sapphire x800 PRO, the Gigabyte 9800XT, the Enyaah FX5900 Ultra, the MSI 6800 Ultra and the reference nVidia 6800 graphics cards. For benchmarking we've selected the following applications:
Far Cry: 1024 x 768 and 1200 x 1600 resolutions at no AA, 2x AA + 4x AF and 4x AA + 8x AF Unreal Tournament 2004: 1024 x 768 and 1200 x 1600 resolutions at no AA, 2x AA + 4x AF and 4x AA + 8x AF Halo: 1024 x 768 and 1200 x 1600 resolutions Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness: 1024 x 768 and 1200 x 1600 resolutions at no AA, 2x AA + 4x AF and 4x AA + 8x AF 3D Mark 2001SE: Default Settings Aquamark3: Default Settings 3D Mark 2003: Fill Rates (Single/Multi Texture), Vertex Shader, Pixel Shader 2.0 SpecViewPERF 7.11: Default Settings. Another point that needs to be mentioned is that the 6800 LE was benchmarked using the latest 1.2 Far Cry patch while all the other cards were benchmarked with the older v1.1 If you would like for us to add any additional benchmarking software, please email us at suggestions@tbreak.com
Aquamark3/3DM01/3DM03
Aquamark 3
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 67,187 +59% Sapphire x800 PRO 55,246 +31% nVidia FX6800 54,973 +30% Gigabyte 9800XT 47,062 +11% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 43,245 +2% nVidia 6800LE 42,274 MSI 5900XT 37,460 -11% ASUS 9600XT 31,329 -26%
3D Mark 2001SE
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 24,485 +27% Sapphire x800 PRO 24,466 +26% nVidia FX6800 21,895 +13% Gigabyte 9800XT 21,176 +9% nVidia 6800LE 19,347 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 19,296 0% MSI 5900XT 17,823 -8% ASUS 9600XT 14,038 -27%
3DM'03: Single Texture Fill Rate
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 3,197.60 +48% nVidia FX6800 2,397.57 +11% Sapphire x800 PRO 2,346.30 +8% nVidia 6800LE 2,167.80 Gigabyte 9800XT 1,843.10 -15% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 1,480.60 -32% MSI 5900XT 1,281.80 -41% ASUS 9600XT 920.10 -58%
3DM'03: Multi Texture Fill Rate
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 6,048.70 +157% Sapphire x800 PRO 5,004 +112% nVidia FX6800 3,775 +60% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 3,206.70 +36% Gigabyte 9800XT 3,169.60 +35% MSI 5900XT 2,768.80 +18% nVidia 6800LE 2,355.80 ASUS 9600XT 1,926.90 -18%
3DM'03: Vertex Shader
Product Score GraphDifference
Sapphire x800 PRO 34.70 +79% MSI FX6800 Ultra 33.10 +71% nVidia FX6800 27.10 +40% Gigabyte 9800XT 19.70 +2% nVidia 6800LE 19.40 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 18.10 -7% MSI 5900XT 16.10 -17% ASUS 9600XT 13 -33%
3DM'03: Pixel Shader 2
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 165.60 +116% nVidia FX6800 112.60 +47% Sapphire x800 PRO 93.40 +22% nVidia 6800LE 76.50 Gigabyte 9800XT 57.70 -25% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 49.50 -35% MSI 5900XT 42 -45% ASUS 9600XT 35.80 -53% While the 6800LE doesnt have any problems overtaking the older generation of FX cards in almost all the tests, we do see a huge difference when compared to the standard 6800 card. Lets take a look at actual gaming benchmarks starting with Far Cry
Far Cry
Far Cry (1024x768)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 76.19 +23% nVidia FX6800 70.89 +14% Sapphire x800 PRO 70.30 +13% Gigabyte 9800XT 65.92 +6% nVidia 6800LE 61.96 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 52.23 -16% ASUS 9600XT 34.47 -44% MSI 5900XT 0 -100%
Far Cry (1024x768: 2x AA+4x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 74.90 +67% Sapphire x800 PRO 68.74 +53% nVidia FX6800 55.47 +23% nVidia 6800LE 44.96 Gigabyte 9800XT 39.23 -13% ASUS 9600XT 34.56 -23% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 32.83 -27% MSI 5900XT 0 -100%
Far Cry (1024x768: 4x AA+8x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 73.74 +74% Sapphire x800 PRO 58.75 +39% nVidia FX6800 51.52 +22% nVidia 6800LE 42.38 Gigabyte 9800XT 32.82 -23% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 26.51 -37% ASUS 9600XT 16.30 -62% MSI 5900XT 0 -100%
Far Cry (1600x1200)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 64.64 +145% Sapphire x800 PRO 50.59 +91% Gigabyte 9800XT 32.02 +21% nVidia FX6800 29.11 +10% nVidia 6800LE 26.42 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 25.43 -4% ASUS 9600XT 15.34 -42% MSI 5900XT 0 -100%
Far Cry (1600x1200: 2x AA+4x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 49.35 +187% Sapphire x800 PRO 35.01 +104% Gigabyte 9800XT 19.47 +13% nVidia FX6800 17.51 +2% nVidia 6800LE 17.20 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 17.02 -1% ASUS 9600XT 8.31 -52% MSI 5900XT 0 -100%
Far Cry (1600x1200: 4x AA+8x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 45.30 +170% Sapphire x800 PRO 29.15 +74% nVidia FX6800 17.36 +3% nVidia 6800LE 16.79 Gigabyte 9800XT 16.19 -4% ASUS 9600XT 6.53 -61% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 4.63 -72% MSI 5900XT 0 -100% We would again like to mention that the 6800LE was benchmarked using the latest 1.2 patch of Far Cry which does improve performance. Having said that, the numbers produced by the 6800LE are very decent especially considering that this card will be an OEM product.
UT2004
UT2004 (1024x768)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 165.31 +10% nVidia FX6800 164.24 +9% Sapphire x800 PRO 161.53 +7% Gigabyte 9800XT 160.62 +7% nVidia 6800LE 150.67 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 150.23 0% MSI 5900XT 138.42 -8% ASUS 9600XT 116.36 -23%
UT2004 (1024x768: 2x AA+4x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 164.76 +46% Gigabyte 9800XT 160.37 +42% Sapphire x800 PRO 159.74 +41% nVidia FX6800 147.35 +30% ASUS 9600XT 116.34 +3% nVidia 6800LE 113.17 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 112.93 0% MSI 5900XT 98.80 -13%
UT2004 (1024x768: 4x AA+8x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
Gigabyte 9800XT 160.28 +68% MSI FX6800 Ultra 157.34 +65% Sapphire x800 PRO 154.09 +61% nVidia FX6800 126.62 +33% ASUS 9600XT 116.36 +22% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 100.18 +5% nVidia 6800LE 95.54 MSI 5900XT 86.15 -10%
UT2004 (1600x1200)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 161.25 +63% Sapphire x800 PRO 139.22 +41% nVidia FX6800 135.79 +37% Gigabyte 9800XT 99.74 +1% nVidia 6800LE 99.07 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 97.21 -2% MSI 5900XT 82.64 -17% ASUS 9600XT 52.43 -47%
UT2004 (1600x1200: 2x AA+4x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 136.49 +100% Sapphire x800 PRO 111.61 +64% nVidia FX6800 98.90 +45% Gigabyte 9800XT 70.08 +3% nVidia 6800LE 68.25 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 66.35 -3% MSI 5900XT 56.06 -18% ASUS 9600XT 30.02 -56%
UT2004 (1600x1200: 4x AA+8x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 112.19 +124% Sapphire x800 PRO 94.35 +89% nVidia FX6800 69.41 +39% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 56.80 +13% Gigabyte 9800XT 54.85 +10% nVidia 6800LE 50.05 MSI 5900XT 45.10 -10% ASUS 9600XT 19.39 -61% Although the numbers look quite a bit lower on the 6800LE compared to its other siblings, it does quite well- producing a very playable 50.5 fps at 1600x1200 resolution with 4X AA and 8X AF.
Halo
Halo (1024x768)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 82.04 +68% Sapphire x800 PRO 71.22 +46% nVidia FX6800 64.95 +33% Gigabyte 9800XT 53.09 +9% nVidia 6800LE 48.75 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 47.25 -3% MSI 5900XT 41.54 -15% ASUS 9600XT 34.35 -30%
Halo (1600x1200)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 60.26 +117% Sapphire x800 PRO 46.24 +67% nVidia FX6800 40.70 +47% Gigabyte 9800XT 28.45 +3% nVidia 6800LE 27.73 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 25.92 -7% MSI 5900XT 22.44 -19% ASUS 9600XT 15.68 -43% Again, while the higher-end current generation of VGA cards perform a lot better, the 6800LE manages to produce better scores than the previous generation of nVidia products as well as the 9600XT/x600 XT which will be in a similar price range
TR: AOD / Conclusion
Tomb Raider AOD (1024x768)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 92.85 +90% Sapphire x800 PRO 83.88 +72% nVidia FX6800 67.15 +38% Gigabyte 9800XT 59.17 +21% nVidia 6800LE 48.75 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 37.80 -22% ASUS 9600XT 37.63 -23% MSI 5900XT 34.44 -29%
Tomb Raider AOD (1024x768: 2x AA+4x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 84.59 +99% Sapphire x800 PRO 75.40 +77% nVidia FX6800 59.78 +40% Gigabyte 9800XT 59.17 +39% nVidia 6800LE 42.56 ASUS 9600XT 37.68 -11% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 29.51 -31% MSI 5900XT 26.51 -38%
Tomb Raider AOD (1024x768: 4x AA+8x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 82.10 +98% Sapphire x800 PRO 73.55 +78% Gigabyte 9800XT 59.15 +43% nVidia FX6800 58.24 +41% nVidia 6800LE 41.40 ASUS 9600XT 37.61 -9% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 27.75 -33% MSI 5900XT 24.54 -41%
Tomb Raider AOD (1600x1200)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 44.57 +119% Sapphire x800 PRO 43.30 +113% nVidia FX6800 29.67 +46% Gigabyte 9800XT 28.18 +39% nVidia 6800LE 20.32 Ennyah 5900 Ultra 17.80 -12% ASUS 9600XT 16.26 -20% MSI 5900XT 15.67 -23%
Tomb Raider AOD (1600x1200: 2x AA+4x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 40.32 +121% Sapphire x800 PRO 38.59 +111% nVidia FX6800 26.89 +47% Gigabyte 9800XT 24.97 +37% nVidia 6800LE 18.26 ASUS 9600XT 15.55 -15% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 13.56 -26% MSI 5900XT 11.79 -35% Again, we see a similar trend where the card doesnt compete well with the higher-end cards but leads over the previous generation of nVidia cards as well as the 9600XT. Lets warp things up with the overclocking ability of this card.
Tomb Raider AOD (1600x1200: 4x AA+8x AF)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 39.39 +121% Sapphire x800 PRO 37.85 +112% nVidia FX6800 26.14 +46% Gigabyte 9800XT 24.19 +35% nVidia 6800LE 17.86 ASUS 9600XT 15.29 -14% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 12.82 -28% MSI 5900XT 12.56 -30% Overclocking/Conclusion
Overclocking
Using coolbits, we were able to overclock the 6800LE from its default core and memory speeds of 300MHz and 700MHz to a very nice 400MHz and 850MHz respectively. At these speeds, the card was left to loop benchmarks for almost two consecitive days and it did that without a single glitch. The following are the benchmarks produced by the LE at these speeds.
3D Mark 2001SE
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 24,485 +12% Sapphire x800 PRO 24,466 +12% nVidia FX6800 21,895 0% nVidia 6800LE (OC) 21,841 Gigabyte 9800XT 21,176 -3% nVidia 6800LE 19,347 -11% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 19,296 -12% MSI 5900XT 17,823 -18% ASUS 9600XT 14,038 -36%
Aquamark 3
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 67,187 +24% Sapphire x800 PRO 55,246 +2% nVidia FX6800 54,973 +1% nVidia 6800LE (OC) 54,186 Gigabyte 9800XT 47,062 -13% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 43,245 -20% nVidia 6800LE 42,274 -22% MSI 5900XT 37,460 -31% ASUS 9600XT 31,329 -42%
Far Cry (1024x768)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 76.19 +10% nVidia FX6800 70.89 +2% Sapphire x800 PRO 70.30 +1% nVidia 6800LE (OC) 69.50 Gigabyte 9800XT 65.92 -5% nVidia 6800LE 61.96 -11% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 52.23 -25% ASUS 9600XT 34.47 -50% MSI 5900XT 0 -100%
Far Cry (1600x1200)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 64.64 +127% Sapphire x800 PRO 50.59 +78% Gigabyte 9800XT 32.02 +12% nVidia FX6800 29.11 +2% nVidia 6800LE (OC) 28.48 nVidia 6800LE 26.42 -7% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 25.43 -11% ASUS 9600XT 15.34 -46% MSI 5900XT 0 -100%
UT2004 (1024x768)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 165.31 +7% nVidia FX6800 164.24 +6% Sapphire x800 PRO 161.53 +5% Gigabyte 9800XT 160.62 +4% nVidia 6800LE (OC) 154.26 nVidia 6800LE 150.67 -2% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 150.23 -3% MSI 5900XT 138.42 -10% ASUS 9600XT 116.36 -25%
UT2004 (1600x1200)
Product Score GraphDifference
MSI FX6800 Ultra 161.25 +29% Sapphire x800 PRO 139.22 +12% nVidia FX6800 135.79 +9% nVidia 6800LE (OC) 124.53 Gigabyte 9800XT 99.74 -20% nVidia 6800LE 99.07 -20% Ennyah 5900 Ultra 97.21 -22% MSI 5900XT 82.64 -34% ASUS 9600XT 52.43 -58% In one word- amazing. The card performed as well as the standard 6800 in most of the benchmarks with an improvement of over 20% in two tests.
Conclusion
To sum up the 6800LE, it utilizes nVidia's latest core, performs faster than their previous core and costs less. Sounds like nVidia has a winning card in their hands. The strategy of selling this card only through the OEM channel is also an interesting one. Although most of the people reading this are DIY users, there is still a very large segment of the market that will never open their PC and still like to play the latest games at respectable frame rates. The 6800LE would be the perfect choice for system integrators at the moment who want to provide a moderately priced system that can do that job very well.
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